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obama speaking AFTER congress passes health care bill
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you dont got shit harle... i mean obama!
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Were Fucked!!!!!!!!!
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lol! nice
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horrible
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health insurance is fucked... start buying up stock in anyone who makes drugs, they will be getting huge government contracts very shortly!
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yes... do that.
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buy lots.
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Mario, I thought u loved Obama?
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the issue really isn't about universal healthcare, cuz seriously, thats fine... everyone gets it... good. the issue is who is paying for it. taxpayers. broke ass fools living on welfare? people who dont want to work, sit at home and just collect money and have babies? seriously? im healthy so i have to work and pay for that? this is freakin medical welfare... welfare is the most expensive and draining part of the american economy, because we tolerate laziness.
o, and just because all of these socialist branches of the government exist doesn't mean its right, it just means we tolerate them so we can live here and be a member of society.
ps... i really hope the unemployment rate decreases soon, cuz if it doesn't, that means less tax payers paying into this... o yea... and welfare aka social security is going to be out of money in 2017... 7 years guys... and we're giving free healthcare now... awesome.
edit: my definition of laziness does not include 65 and older, disabled, or war vets
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There will always be some bum taking advantage of the system. I agree that this is super lame. However, I think the advantages of maintaining the overall well being of society outweigh the disadvantages of not having a healthcare program at all.
The idea is to help the people who work their asses off at 2-3 jobs and barely make enough to pay for food and rent. You want these people to maintain their general heath and not depend on emergency care. In doing so, you're ensuring that they continue to work those 2-3 jobs that you probably don't want, thereby maximizing everyone's output.
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also, early detection/intervention or disease prevention saves hella money. you don't want some uninsured person going to the ER with some major problem (say dangerously high blood sugar, now they need diabetes meds for life) when their problem (diabetes in this case) could have been prevented in the first place. i'd rather pay a little now than a lot when that happens later.
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But if they are here in OUR country ILLEGALLY, why should we have to pay for them? Go back to Mexico to get help!
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lets talk about the millions of LEGAL people we're paying for.
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jesus christ. you guys might as well just run for office, because all you see is rainbows and butterflies. seriously its a nice thought to have this, but lets for just one seconds be intelligent about the situation.
- there are 300 million people in the united states.
- out of those 300 million only 150 million qualify to work (are not children or elderly)
- out of 150 million potential workers 16 million do not work (9.7% unemployment)
- there are currently 50 million people supported by either medicare or medicade, costing the fed 200+ billion dollars a year, this does not include what each state pays to maintain their program (but if you were curious its 22% of california's budget)
- there are currently 36 million people who dont have healthcare coveragenow lets break some of that down...
- there will be roughly 50 + 36 = 86 million people getting free healthcare right off the bat (29% of the population)
- 150 - 16 = 134 million people pay for this (45% of the population)
- i will assume the remaining 26% of the population are subsidiaries of legit healthcare coverage and payed for willingly by the working sector (i.e children or elderly of families who afford healthcare)lets add some more info for you guys...
- the united states is currently 12 trillion dollars in debt (national debt)
- the united states tax revenue per year is 2 trillion dollars
- the united states spends 3.5 trillion dollars a year
(just for a laugh... if you factor in everything... the united states is actually 55 trillion dollars in debt)so i have some questions...
when the government raises your taxes to cover 1/3 of the population of the united states, how much do you think they will be raised by? (hint: not enough)
when 36 million people who couldn't see a doctor for free have a chance to go see one, do you think our hospitals will be able to handle it? (hint: now your ass is waiting in line... and you pay... sucka)
WHEN OUR FISCAL SYSTEM CRASHES IN 10 YEARS BECAUSE WE CANT AFFORD THIS... o wait... who cares... free shit for everyone!
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people with insurance are paying for those without. it's not only coming from tax dollars; it's coming in higher costs of health care.
hospitals bill insurance companies more than they bill the uninsured for the exact same services in order to cover the costs of the uninsured (hey- they want money!). that increased cost trickles down into higher premiums for you. it also increases your portion of each of your out of pocket bills - let's say your insurance pays 80% of your bill. That means you pay 20%. If costs are up to cover the uninsured, your portion is therefore higher.
personally I would think that if supply is increasing, demand would too. Put more people in med school. Bam - jobs. If that doesn't happen or takes time to happen and you don't wanna wait hella long to see a doctor, pay more to see a better one. this insurance plan being offered, while pretty good, isn't as good as the fancy PPO you pay for. go see your fancy PPO doctor if you don't want to wait with the masses.
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So good to have Brett and Carolyn on my side :PPP
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im not really on anyones side here... im just saying this reform is way to ahead of its time.
just the number alone make it so it wont work, and thats the bottom line... we cant afford it, there isn't enough workers to pay for the amount of people not working. if our economy was in a better place we could do something like this.
ok, its not fair that someone without insurance gets sick and winds up with a 40,000 dollar medical bill, who has 40g's laying around? yes, caro is right, our premiums are related to the amount hospitals bill the insurance companys, and yes i think it should be regulated to allow people who work 2-3 jobs to afford healthcare... but regulation is different than making a healthcare system that is basically social security for the year 2010.
ps... from the sound of it caro is an obama lover =p
pps... nick, illegal immigrants get nothing out of this. they cant even buy into it unless they are legal.
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i think they are on opposite sides?
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guess i didnt read close enough...damn you Caro, lol....j/k
BTW Mario, I no longer do the "Curry Commute" anymore. Time to change my name :)
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i may come back and read/reply when i have time, but for now i think you people are really looking at the wrong big picture here... you all know what a bell curve is:
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most of these changes don't take effect until 2014. maybe more people will be working in 4 years
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see that graph that harley linked? the one that has maybe 1% relevance? pretend thats how much money we owe china now, then follow that steep slope for another 4 years. now add in the 1 trillion dollars this healthcare reform is gonna cost... mmmhmmm
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i think my main point is that it probably won't even matter.
all of this money is just paper anyway, it doesn't mean anything - nobody is going to call in any major debts because if anyone did, as brett's doomsday financial scenario goes, it all comes tumbling down. the chinese can't eat dollar bills, though i'm sure the government will liquify and distribute them if they ever do call in anything big we owe them.
i don't see the argument against spending on the health of our fellow men and women when bush spent nearly as much to shock and awe his way into some oil, then forgot to bring any back. sure, it's trillions and trillions, so? it's not like that was ever gonna get paid back in our lifetimes, let alone ever.
you guys really still think capitalism works? i'm not saying we should go commie, but if you think we can just toss bandaids on the problem, i'd have to disagree. our financial system already crashed what, twice in the last decade? wall street swims in drug money, it's not coming down that easy.
in any case, it's over.
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1. Legalize weed
2. "We have unparalleled levels of obesity in our country. This has led to a massive increase in diabetes, hypertension and other chronic problems. If we could prevent even a small percentage of people from becoming obese and developing these conditions, the costs of health care could go down far enough to cover everyone's insurance."
Thats pretty much every doctors perspective on this.
3. Im personally investing in WALL-E. In a few hundred years i think it will pay off!
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when your right your right harley, there really isn't any solution to our debt crisis. i just cant buy into the government making decisions based on this though. i think these people have a responsibility to make decisions that operate within our financial means, not pushing our problems back another few years.
iker, its sad but true. people getting denied health insurance or getting their premiums raised based on their physical condition is definitely a problem that gives pro healthcare people a reason to be pro. the problem i have with it is people aren't going to live healthier just because they have healthcare, they will just have a free doctor telling them they should live healthier. a clear case of supply and demand =(
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